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    Countdown to trial

    Depositions begin this week in the defamation lawsuit against Hulda Clark, Tim Bolen and their band of merry zappers. In Canada, Dr. Terry Polevoy will be visited by Carlos Negrete. He wants to ask him about why he feels that there is evidence that the lawsuit has validity. Well, I'm a true believer, I'm flukified, I'm synrometized, and ready to go.

    Hulda Clark on Better Health Talk Radio

  • Radio interview - July 21, 2001

    This is what the host Charles H Green says about Hulda:

    "It took an independent research scientist to find the answers. Hulda Regehr Clark began her studies in biology at the University of Sakatchewan, Canada, where she was awarded the Bachelor of Art, Magna Cum Laude, and the Master of Arts, with High Honors. After two years of study at McGill University, she attended the University of Minnesota, studying biophysics and cell physiology in 1958. In 1979 she left government funded research and began private consulting on a full time basis. Eleven years later she noticed clues to the cause of cancer. Today Dr. Clark puts her lates conclusions, her advice for curing cancer, her results and her methods before you. Read and recover."

    If any of you believe Hulda Clark after reading the transcript below, please let me know via e-mail

    Hulda Clark

    CG: Charles K. Green presents exciting topics, inspirational speakers, and factual information based on the latest hard science. His aim? Educate you about the choices available for building and maintaining better health.
    HC: Hulda Clark, former researcher from Indiana University who was charged with practicing medicine without a license in Indiana. She went to work in Tijuana, Mexico where her mailorder ND degree allowed her to treat patients with cancer for a few years. Then her clinic was closed by the Mexican authorities, and she was prevented from carrying on her research in that area. Recently associates in Europe and in North America were charged by the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) for marketing bogus devices and programs to the public. This interview on internet radio was from July 21, 2001, over 18 months before this action.

    More links to radio show about Hulda Clark

  • Tim Bolen - Feb 14, 2000 - CNJC
  • Tim Bolen - March 11, 2000 - Christine McPhee's Touch of Health Show

    More links to Hulda Clark and Tim Bolen

  • The lawsuit against Hulda Clark, Tim Bolen, et. al.
  • Response to Tim Bolen - Stephen Barrett
  • Bizarre claims of Dr. Hulda Clark - Stephen Barrett
  • Swiss company and U.S. distributors charged by FTC - Jan. 23, 2003

    Vendors that use the Better Health Talk Radio images to sell Clark inspired stuff

  • Healthysigns.com - Washington State
  • Healthysigns.com - sells zappers, too
  • Healthsigns.com - Here's how it works, yeah right.
  • Healthysigns.com - Testimonials. If you're not convince by now, try reading these amazing testimonials. Report problems with zappers in the U.S. after reading this

    The Show - July 21, 2001

    The announcer introduced Bolton as the "virtuoso of nutrition". The actual show is no longer available at the original web site. I wonder why?

    CG: Thank you for joining us, you're listening to the Better Health Talk Radio program. I'm your host Charles K. Green. On Better Health Talk Radio we discuss ways to achieve better health. The related topics in health that concern us today. Trying to find the latest nutritional information on health products that really work is time-consuming. Achieving better health in today's ever-changing world requires indepth knowledge on the topic of health. Listening to the Better Health Talk Radio Program will provide you with current natural health information. I have the privelege of interviewing dedicated health experts, professionals who have devoted their lives to improving the quality of our lives. We can be heard on the internet at betterhealthtalkradio.com. A reminder for you internet users, every program you hear on Better Health Talk Radio Program is streamed from our web site. So, you can review all the Better Health Talk Radio Programs 24 hours - 7 days a week at your convenience. And for you folks that do not have internet access you to can receive an audio tape or CD of this program by giving us a call at 1-800-588-8139

    Our discussion today on Better Health Talk Radio will focus on the book The Cure for All Cancers. Tge author of this book, first published in 1993 is here with us today. Hulda Regehr Clark, PhD, ND in addition to being a world-renowned author, Dr. Clark is foremost a researcher. Currently she is excited about finding ways of shortening her 21-day program. Scientist and alternative practitioners from around the globe have recognized her research innovations. The advances she has discovered enjoys a broad following and support of enthusiasm. Dr. Clark works hard and research ongoing and her merits review a closer look. Today Dr. Clark will explain to us in her own opinion the cause of cancer, what a person with cancer should do to get well and Dr. Clark's thoughts on what this all means for better health. Let me first introduce our special guest, Hulda Regher Clark, began her studies in biology at the University of Saskatchewan Canada where she was awarded the bachelors of arts Magne cum laude, and a Master of Arts with high honors after two year of study at McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, Canada she attended the Univerisity of Minnesota, studying bio-physics and cell biology in 1958. In 1979 she chose to leave government funded research and began private consultation on a full time basis. Eventually years after she noticed clues to the cause of cancer. Today Dr. Clark puts her latest conclusions, her advice on curing cancer, her results, and her methods before us. She is the author of many books. including the Cure for All Diseases, The Cure for HIV and AIDS, The Cure for All Advanced Cancer, and the book we reviewed today, The Cure for All Cancers.

    Dr. Hulda Clark, I'd like to welcome you to the Better Health Talk Radio Program

    HC: Thank you, it's good to be there.

    CG: Before we discuss the cause of cancer, Dr. Clark, start by giving us an impression of your traditional overview of cancer itself. What do the scientists, traditional scientists telling us about cancer?

    HC: Well, well, I think that the all the time that I was a scientist myself, uhm, pretty much held the views that or were current in the scientific journals and still are, uhm and the new emphasis is on a gene mutations, uh but of course that is still pretty much untried. Uh, if your genes are mutating and giving you cancer then giving you a replacment will surely mutate also, since we haven't figured out what is causing your mutation. That is the emphasis has not been on finding a cause of the mutations, the emphasis is simply clinical on giving you a replacement. And I think that it is uh uh not uh a scientific or usefull approach. It would be much better to try to find the cause of the mutations, and that's what I've been doing in part. I have a device that's the first thing that I need to explain, that I'm doing my research with an electronic device. This is much more accurate than chemistry or even immunology.

    CG: Well the basic traditional approach today is to uh uh uh either cut it out or irradiate it out, or uh uh with chemotherapy, and other invasive uhm uh protocols that uh have uh uh uh some success. But in general they don't appear to be uh uh uh uh increasing in any uh efficiency.

    Hulda smilingHC: Yes and uh uh a ???? are acute treatment, they have to be invasive because the problem has become so acute. Uh, but what is not recognized because research hasn't addressed that much clinically is that cancer is a systemic disease.

    CG: Ahumm ahumm

    CG: Therefore, just killing it is not going protect you from getting it back. You need to understand the cause of why you're getting it, and the first reason of why it would come back. And that's what my device has found for me.

    CG: And that's...

    HC: And that's why I call my device has found for me, and that's why I call my titles "Cures" because they are based on finding the cause. It was quite accidental really that I came across the cause, but being trained as a biologist and physiologist I could recognize them. About 10 years ago, quite by accident, I had 3 cancer patients in a row who just came for nutritional consulting. But I happened to be reviewing the possibility that parasites were responsible for certain illnesses in people, and in order to learn about that I was testing every person who came in for nutritional consulting to see if they had parasitism. I was tested about 70 different parasites, a pretty good study, and I quite by accident discovered that the 3 cancer patients I had on consecutive days happened to have the same parasite, a most unusual one, and in an unusual place, not normal for it. And ao that's how this all began, quite by accident, and I do think that if anybody else had found the same thing whether they were a scientist or not, they would have done exactly the same thing as I did. I would not just hide that fact.

    CG: No, your book is pretty straight forward uh on the causes of cancer. You tell us that the cancer of course that you just mentioned is caused by parasite namely a human intestinal fluke.

    HC: Yes.

    CG: Dr. Clark, how can a human intestinal fluke be the cause of cancer?

    HC: Yes, uhr that was my first heh heh very startling ah eh en startling question. It is not the adult fluke that we are taught about it in parasitology that is causing this. It is the larval stage, the larval stages have become a worlwide spread through our meat animals. They get these larval stages in their flesh to quite abnormal. We were not supposed to have these larval stages in our flesh. We were supposed to have an adult in the intestine, if that of course. But, getting these larval stages is an abnormal kind of a cycle for them, makes them of course almost impossible to find because you don't expect that. Uhm but it occurs, I believe, and this I can't prove, uh but I believe that it is due to solvent, ub err, pollution of our food. I believe that the solvent problem uh that animals have as well as we, um is causing this. But that's a matter of speculation. I really don't, and getting to speculation too much, my books are just a large collection of my observations and I'm hoping that people who read it will be able to enterpret and can speculate on their own, and judge the, judge the ways that they should go to try to eliminate these causes for themselves.

    CG: Well in Great Britain we've said this many times in the show that uh uh the journals there say that 90% of all diseases start in the gastrointestinal tract. And many major scientific discoveries have been by accident, and that could be uh uh something that you have been able to uncover when we look and what you describe in the book is that uhm these parasites seem to migrate into the liver and into other organs of the body, and normal people, normal healthy people seem to be able to destroy them. But then you go on to say something happens to people who have uh solvents as you've described them, or isopropyl alcohol in their bodies. What exactly happens when that situation arises?

    HC: Yes, I've pursued that quite a bit, because I have the same curiosity and I do wanna get down to the very basics. Uhm the uh the problem is that cancer first of all comes in two parts and I guess we did know that, but we just didn't pay attention to that before. You develop the tumor first and then it becomes malignant. Uh, although some scientist would believe that the very first cell of the tumor is even malignant, and that whole area is still pretty cloudy. But I have seen that the tumors have uh are a distinct phenomenon from malignancy, and and the easiest thing to find was at that time, 10 years ago, in these three cancer patients, that they had this amazingly uhr impossible parasitic stage in them, and when that, when that was removed, it took about a year to find uhr, to find the herbs that would kill them. Uhm and that removed the malignancy. In other words it would go, be going back to their oncologist, and then finding that their, whatever they had left was benign, not gone, but benign. That doesn't mean it wasn't growing. Growing tumors can be benign. They had changed their nature in some fundamental way by not having that larval stage present. But it didn't destroy their tumor and of course I was then immediately challenged to find out how the tumor got started in the first place, and that's what the second book is all about. So it's very important in my mind, equally important to not make tumors and secondly not let them get malignant.

    CG: Okay, so what you're saying is that, that these, these blend of, of herbs would kill the eggs of the parasite, and then of course, the the eggs that have already hatched within that cycle would go through that cycle, and at that point a person could rid themselves of, of a monumental amount of parasites throughout their body

    HC: Yes I give the herbal recipe worked out at that time. I, I want everbody to be able to do it themselves. I, I believe in people preventing their own illnesses, and, and not letting them getting too advanced that you have to see uh, uh a clinical doctor. Clinical doctors are very, very important. We can't do without them, we need them. But the more you can do for yourself, the less you will be spending and using up their precious time. Uhm and that's a much better for society to be healthier as a patient

    CG: So you're saying, so you're saying that prevention, an ounce of prevention is worth obviously a pound of cure.

    HC: A healthy nation is much better for all of us, than a half-sick one.

    CG: Ahemm ahemm. Now we don't necessarily, I, I, interviewed Anne Louise Gittleman, and she had uh uh written a book called "Guess What Came to Dinner" and part of the association with that was that parasites are essentially a world problem and a lot of us believe that when we travel that we bring in parasistes. But with the advent of the airplane there's a lot of parasitic change throughout the world now. So, it, it has reached monumental proportion. So, what you're saying is that we don't have to wait till we get cancer to do a parasitic cleanse to rid ourselves. This is an insurance policy.

    HC: Yes, I think we should be doing it routinely, just like people did in the past, and you know when I was a child we would routinely be de-parasitized, and people of those times knew something that we have forgotten about in modern times.....

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    CG: We are continuing our conversation with Dr. Hulda Clark. Dr. Clark one thing that frightened me was this isopropyl alcohol and solvents are pretty pronounced in our food stuffs. You talk about it in your book how they're uh latent in our cold cereals, and they're also in the sugars we eat, and shaving supplies, uh they're in hair sprays, they're in decaffeinated coffees, shampoos. So, there's quite an exposure to it. But what's he link there, what causes the solvents to encourage parasitic growth?

    HC: That is uh a very, was very mysterious and still is largely, but I do have the, the basic features uh of what it does figured out. The, the, the isopropyl alcohol first of all quickly gobbled up by your white blood cells, and that's their job. Uh, what ever isn't gobbled up gets detoxified by the liver. Err, I believe it's into err wood alcohol, I'm not quite sure. Uh, so those are the two processes by which the body would get rid of it, since it's a toxin of course. It's about twice as toxic as regular drinking alcohol, but it has this peculiar activity that when it gets into a white blood cell it enduces a mutation. I believe it's a mutation. That would have to be proved scientifically. But, what makes it look like a, a mutation is that you suddenly have HCG produced wherever there is isopropyl alcohol. HCG is human chorionic gonadotropin. That is a substance that protects a human embryo from your immune system, otherwise your body would think that it's a foreign body it would have to get rid of it. But HCG is what goes up very high during pregnancy in order to protect the growing baby. Now we don't want a growing tumor protected that way, but that is what is happening. Uh, you are, the, the tumor is made differently, but the isopropyl alcohol then protects it, so that your immune system can't get rid of it.

    CG: Hmmmm. Okay, so there's, it acts somewhat as a defense mechanism.

    HC: Yes exactly.

    CG: I see, I see. Uhm, so I, I mean that's a pretty common, uhm, err err, rubbing alcohol, those are pretty common compounds in our world.

    HC: Yes, and that's why probably it's been so difficult to discover. Things that are very, very common place, right in front of our eyes, so to speak.

    CG: We kinda take for granted.

    HC: Yes

    CG: Yeah, yeah. Well then, then at this point you just haven't screamed loud enough to get anybody to do any kind of intensive research on this? Or what do we have to do to, to investigate your hypothesis?

    HC: Well there are about, heh heh, I would think about a thousand things that scientists could do

    CG: Yeah

    HC: That's what I'm hoping for of course. That's why I wrote it all carefully into my books.

    CG: Ahemm, Okay

    HC: The books are just descriptions of what I found. I don't want anybody to take any of, any of my ideas on face.

    CG: Okay

    HC: I want the people to repeat them and see if they find the same things. The device I'm using can be made by anybody. That's why I put the circuit in the book. It's a simple little one-transistor amplifier, and women can make it. Women and you know, non-technical people can easily make learn to use it. It's no more difficult than a word processor.

    CG: Ahemm, ahemm.

    HC: And then they can find the same things I have. And I can tell them as it's told in the book where they can buy the test substances, so they can test themselves. And that what I recommend that people test themselves for a half a year before you think of testing anyone else. But after that you have probably the most, the highest skill that people have on this planet, because they can find out now what is in their bodies and they can find out what's in a certain part of their bodies, like the pancreas or the brain or the liver/ They can go searching on a detective job, searching for what is in them and uh then once they know that they are full of this or that, some very harmful ... They can find out where it's coming from. I try to help them with that. But pretty soon they will be a marvelous detective on their own.

    CG: And where gonna talk about that when we continue. Dr. Clark let's talk about ways that we can test, uh for chemicals, and solvents and things of that nature in our body. Now you developed a system, uh, called uh, or, or, a machine called the syncrometer (he pronounced it wrong), and it tests ahm, ahm, it tests resonance (he actually pronounced it residents), of compounds. Could you elaborate that and explain to us how that machine works?

    HC: Yes this is the one-transistor amplifier that I was starting to talk about, and uhm you can apply that to your body, you know. You can apply a voltmeter and measure voltage, you could apply a ruler and measure length, and this is a different kind of measuring device. It will pick up for you, uh whatever the resonant frequency is of something you put in the circuit. That sounds complicated but it's very simple. The book tells you exactly how to do it. In other words if you apply this to transistor amplifier to your body, just by holding your hands to, to it at two locations, called the electrodes. And if you put in the pathway, an open capacitor, then you can decide where you want to look in your body. Suppose you put a sample of liver on that open capacitor, you can then search your own liver, or the liver of somebody else if you put them into the circuit. So it's a marvelous way of, of, of searching, that is detecting things in your body. It doesn't of course diagnose. It was never meant to. You, all you can do is find things. But it has an advantage over diagnosing.

    CG: When you say find things it's kind of a yes it's there no it's not?

    HC: Yes, exactly. But of course if you find mercury there, you know it shouldn't be, and you may try to find out where it's coming from, and try to get rid of it. You'd want to do a lot more studying before you decide that it's the most important thing in your life of course. Uh, but you uh get some pretty good uhm uh wisdom out of all of the things you're searching pretty fast, and it's of very low cost studying and, and very quick. In one afternoon you can have discovered that is detected more than, than, than months and months of research, regular research that would be chemical or microbiological, or immunological, and of course that would be very costly, and you couldn't do it. This is something the average person can learn to do, and, and afford.

    CG: Ahemm, well and we've talked about this before on the show, I've had David Steinman on, he wrote a book called "Living Healthy in a Toxic World", and of course he describes 50,000 chemicals that's in our world that, that we are exposed to. A thousand of 'em being exposed on an average in our household.

    HC: Yes, but uhm that's one of the points that I make that uh, uh that uh it's such a welcome, welcome news to, to me anyway. And that is, if you study our immune system, in other words what you're putting on that open capacitor plate is your white blood cells, you're different kinds of them. I study 8 kinds of white blood cells. There are only 4 toxins that destroy your immune system.

    CG: Okay

    HC: Not hundreds of thousands.

    CG: Allright.

    HC: Which is very fortunate, very fortunate.

    CG: Okay

    HC: Because if you have your immune system functioning you can get rid of those hundred-thousands, provided you don't overdo it. But you don't have to really go after hundreds of thousands of toxins.

    CG: Well well, and just take, just take people that smoke. We know that there's, there's hundreds of chemicals within smoking. We know that there's been identified twenty-six, twenty-seven carcinogenic compounds in smoking alone.

    HC: Not to mention benzene even, of course. They all have benzene

    CG: Yeah, yeah. What I mean, aren't we all gonna test positive for a certain amount of benzene in our system?

    HC: Aahmmm, no we find some in our fat, yes. And as we are searching for at individual locations in our body

    CG: Okay (keeps on saying that throughout her comments, and it's really very annoying to have her interrupted by this guy).

    HC: In important places, not the unimportant places like maybe the skin.

    CG: Somewhere an organ can, could cause a malignancy then, or, or, some, excuse me a tumor? Yeah.

    HC: Now to get a tumor started requires about 12 things.

    CG: Okay

    HC: 12 to 15 things and it has to be those, not others. So there aren't you know hundreds of carcinogens that we're told about, and that it's totally helpless, that we better just toss in the sponge as we say.

    CG: Hee hee hee (he keeps interrupting her)

    HC: "Give up and buy a new gene". That is quite wrongly directed, that's in the wrong direction. We only have about 12 to 15 major items that we have to change. It's not hard to do.

    CG: Okay, okay. Outline for us some of the major items.

    HC: Yes, copper, cobalt, vanadium (sic). These are metals that we should not be taking into ourselves.

    CG: Okay, well copper obviously copper's in piping it's a pretty common compound in our world.

    HC: Yes, yes.

    CG: We've only got a minute here. Just give us an outline on copper, and, and then when we get back from the break we'll discuss some of the other ones.

    HC: Yes, yes.

    CG: We've only got a minute here. Just give us an outline on copper, and, and then when we get back from the break we'll discuss some of the other ones.

    HC: Copper has something to do with fungus growth in us and wht produces a mycotoxin that's one of the dozen contributors. Copper pipes is a problem, but of course your metal tooth fillings is a major problem.

    CG: Our guest today is Dr. Hulda Clark. Okay and continuing our conversation, uh uh how's it, go ahead and, and outline, go ahead and finish your conversation on copper. We have time.

    HC: Allright. Urr the, the copper isn't alone, it works together with cobalt and vanadium. All these are metals that you find in amalgams, and these are metals that pollute our food.

    CG: Okay, okay, so in and of itself copper isn't necessarily the culpret.

    HC: Allright. Urr the, the copper isn't alone, it works together with cobalt and vanadium. All these are metals that you find in amalgams, and these are metals that pollute our food.

    CG: Okay, so in, in and of itself copper isn't necessarily the culprit.

    HC: No, not by itself.

    CG: Okay, okay.

    HC: These 12 items that I'm talking about are, are work together and that is why regular research hasn't been able to find them.

    CG: Ahemm, Ahemm

    HC: It's just about impossible to find a cause and effect relationship between something where, where the cause is 12 items. I mean you can get a complicated as 2 or 3 items in a scientific experiment, but never more than that. And here we are the tumor formation depends upon about 12 items being there at the same time. And they are producing oncogenes, they're producing plas..., there is a plasticizer, several plasticizers involved. Uh, a gene from yeast called RAS, R-A-S, uh and uhm maybe, I can't give them all to you. I do try to outline them in the Cancer book.

    CG: Yes you do.

    HC: But I have an Advanced Cancer book that discusses the tumor, err, much more. The first book discusses how to get rid of the malignancy, because that's the most for you. Just kill the parasite, do so in a very intense way and then you'll be at least rid of the malignancy, not the tumor yet.

    CG: Okay so, so what I'm hearing you say is that these compounds set the stage for a immune suppression?

    HC: Yes now that's an interesting question. Immune suppression might really be the basis for it all, because we wouldn't have the parasitism if it wasn't for the immune problem, and uh so really the toxicity of the environment with regard to those four things cause, cause immune suppression. Four things, uhr and a fifth that causes immune death, okay. So suppression and death are different. Altogether there are five things that are really the cause of our diseases, not just cancer and tumor growth. But most of the diseases, because I haven't looked at every one. But, every one that I look at is based on this kind of immune suppression. There asbestos in your food, not on your walls. Uhm lancenite metals which is magnetic metals, and, and including mercury and thallium. Okay there's your amalgams. And benzene and PCBs. Those four and azo dyes is the fifth.

    CG: Okay and so these compounds working together within our system will suppress the immune system to the point where parasitic overgrowth takes place.

    HC: Ex, exactly. It has a number of different suppressive actions on your immune system, and eventually this peculiar parasitism, all kinds of aberrant uh par..parasitisms are going on.

    CG: Okay, okay, now, now, is it, is it, is it just the intestinal, I mean the intestinal fluke you referred to, or is it many different kinds of, of paras..parasites?

    HC: The intestinal fluke larval invasion is causing the malignancy. But the tumor is caused by three others. Call them the triumverate. Three little worms that we've, we've always had but not very much. And now they are just spreading like wild-fire amongst us. It's the human liver fluke Clonorchis and a tiny little round worm that causes migraines and other things called Strongyloid, and the pancreatic fluke called Eurytrema that also causes diabetes. Those three very tiny ones they set the stage for, for the tumor development. CG: So these are pretty common in our country, it's not something that you're gonna pick up from some Third World country? They, they are here. We get them if our body's healthy can rid it of them, but these compounds that you refer to earlier, these toxins set the stage uh for the suppression and, and then, the, the, you know we know that parasites are opportunists and the overgrowth can take place, and, and of course the disease state, the disease process start.

    HC: Yes, yes, only the one that causes malignancy, the human intestinal fluke is, is, is not originally from this, uh, from this location, I guess. Uhm at least that's what we were taught, but we get it through our meat animals at a larval infestation.

    CG: Yeah, I noticed in the book you said cook not just pork, but cook all your meats very thoroughly. Yeah so, so in other words don't set the stage up, you know don't depend on you body to, to get rid of these parasites, watch your consumption or exposure to those parasites.....Correct?

    HC: Yes (she said it a half-dozen times during the last few paragraphs above)

    CG: Okay, I think I'm getting the picture now. So then, so we've got a couple of things going here. We can do a parasitic cleanse on some of the things that you outline in the herbal kingdom to, to help rid our body of that. But also then we can use the Syncrometer to resonate sounds of, of these particular toxins that you have outlined here, these four or five and help us figure out ways of sources of where they're coming from and rid the body of those.

    HC: Yes that's the shortest way to go, just the way you outlined it. Kill your parasites, don't eat them anymore, and find out what, where these four, five actually immune problems are coming from in your lifestyle and don't do that anymore.

    CG: Ahemm, ahemm, okay so just, uh uh essentially what we're saying is here, just be cognicent of it, be aware of it and make the appropriate changes. Yeah, yeah.

    HC: And amazingly your immune system rewards you more than you would think. If you just help your immune system somewhat. You don't have to be perfect. Your immune system will just take in marvelously and do all kind of curing for your. And I mean curing, in other words the tumor goes away without you having done anything clinical. Which means that you did, undid something, the cause namely, and therefore cured it. When you treated uhm with some procedure like throwing it away surgically, or, or killing it all, you haven't really helped, uh, you haven't found the cause and cured it. But, when you find the cause and, and you eliminate that, then you have cured.

    CG: Okay, okay. Now let's go back to the point of your Syncrometer, the, the, uh uh I found that, that very interesting, uh, you know, don't quite understand all of it yet. One thing you point out in the book, it's not something you pick up overnight. It's, it takes many hours of practice to uh atunement of the ear to be able to understand this resonance to determine uh what's going on.

    HC: Well I don't think that, that anybody really would even understand it. It's, it's way beyond ultimately, uh, nobody understands the how it ultimately works. But you can easily see that it does work and it doesn't take very long to learn that.

    CG: How did you come up with this idea?

    HC: Well I am also a radio technician.

    CG: Oh my, okay. So there's uhm, uhm like a, uh, uhm, a musician is able to detect different pitches in music. What you're saying is this resonance, uh, uh and again we're just giving us a yes or a no, uh, uh of the presence of the compound. How accurate is that?

    HC: Oh....A beginner is about oh 90% accurate I'd say, but once you're pretty uh experienced, you know what the pitfalls are in certain kinds of testing, you can be, I would say, maybe 99%-100% accurate. Because, because you repeat everything. If this, if you're getting a very important, uhm result, you would just repeat it, and repeat it to make sure. And that only takes seconds, so that way you can get to about 100% accuracy.

    CG: Well some of this is obviously very, it's verifiable. You can, if you test a compound you can actually take the compound and do more intensive testing to determine if another compound is present, or if that compound was present.

    HC: Ooh yes (in the background). I should have brought up. I do have a manual called the Lab Manual where all these experiments are described. In other words, uh, you just put a piece of copper on your skin, and you can detect that with the device. If you can't you haven't learned how to use it. Or if you get it wrong and you think it's silver or ...... If you test wrong you know that you're still not doing it right. By the same token it's easy to learn this because you know what, eh eh, how to direct your inquiry so that just the way you would learn on a word processor. If you see a word is spelled wrong, you know you did something wrong, and you can go and undo that and learn better.

    CG: So, so you get back to the drawing board until you, you develop, uh uh, a skill.

    HC: The correct, the correct skill, yeah.

    CG: Yes, yeah, and then you, you, you it's can something that you can, you can test with the rest of your family, your children, yourself, uh, loved ones to determine if, if there's a problem with them.

    HC: Yes. I have methods in the book telling you how to do that , but I have a book called "The Syncrometer Science Lab Manual", that I just put out early this year. If there is anybody interested in the science, even the radio aspects of it, uhm the electronics aspects of it, you'd know at least as much as I know.

    CG: You can go to huldaclark.com (he actually spells it out) and you can review all of her uh uh uh information that she's provided on the book. And this is a, this is fairly recent book that, that the on the Syncrometer, is that correct?

    HC: Yes

    CG: Are you, and from just within the last few years you developed that book?

    HC: That is a collection of eh my earlier experiments and some of my more recent ones, to try to do a pathway for scientists to go.

    CG: You are listening to the better Health Talk Radio Program on the TalkAmerica radio network. Our guest today was Dr. Hulda Clark. We were talking about her book "The Cure for All Cancer" published in 1993 from New Century Press. Again in the last four minutes here give us an overview on what we can do. Again we've touched on it, but recap what we can do to uh uh protect ourselves and our families as a preventive?

    HC: Well I think that if you read the books you will realize what it is that you're trying to prevent, what you're trying to protect yourself from. Not a thousand things out there, but you need to focus on four things, all together really five that damage your immune system so much that parasitism has its chance, and, and inflammations and infections have their chance to gradually take you over. So, I think it would be, what I would like to see is that every person would build this device for themselves, or buy one and learn to use it. It's really easier than the word processor, or driving a care, and uhm start investigating themselves and after you're pretty good at it then you can uh, eh eh, work at family members or friends, and develop a little club, a health club to keep yourselves healthy. That's the idea.

    CG: There should be a researcher in every family.

    HC: Yes, yes this is public research. That's would I would like to see happen and I wrote that in, in, in my Sync rometer Science Lab Manual, which is not sophisticated for anybody. You don't have top know electronics, or, or, or high-level math or anything like that. You just learn to use the device and use your sleuthing instinct. Everybody has one, and you will be able to find out where these five things are coming from for you. And then you get rid of that for you and your loved ones. That's the fastest way to shrink a tumor, get rid of a cancer, or any other disease for that matter.

    CG: Ahemm. Now are, are you, you reduced your program down to 21 day program, and I hear you are working on like reducing that even further.

    HC: Yes, the 21 day program is mostly supplements. And what I have done since then is, is made a program that is mostly electronic. In other words, you can kill these parasites quite handily, not just with herbs. The 21 day program was mostly herbs in the original book it was herbs. But now you can do it electronically with a device called the Zapper. You can build one, you don't have to take my word for granted, you don't have to spend a lot of money, just build one. And it runs off a little 9-volt battery, so you know that it's safe.

    CG: Ahemm, ahemm. Is there, is there, do we have, do we have any proof or, or how do we know Zapper electrical current will kill parasites?

    HC: Well, I tell you in the, in the books how you can, how you can show it. Just do it in a beaker. Find yourself a little earthworm, or something, and uh put the electrodes in there and you see it shrivel up right away.

    CG: Just to zap an earthworm, oh my goodness, oh hee hee.

    HC: It's not very kind is it? That's why I don't tell people to do that.

    CG: That's one way to test it though to see if it's gonna work. Uh, so you're saying that obviously a low current won't hurt us, but yet it'll, it'll run havoc on a, on a parasite.

    HC: Yes the idea is to have a certain kind of a wave, a square wave, and uh, and I use a certain frequency but it's not set.

    CG: Well this is much more complicated, then, then discussing it in a one-hour show. Dr. Hulda Clark I want to thank you for being our guest today on the Better Health Talk Radio Program.

    HC: You're welcome I, I appreciate your invitation.

    CG: And I want to encourage our listening audience to go read her book. Next week our guest is Anthony Chicoke, and we'll talk about his book, "The Complette Book of Enzyme Therapy". I would like to thank our listening audience for tuning in to the Better Health Talk Radio Program and until next week please enjoy better health.

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