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    CCRG's William O'Neill on
    Christine McPhee's Touch of Health
    - June 24, 2000

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    This site in no way implies that the CCRG, William O'Neill, or the doctors who are associated with the CCRG are in violation of any law, nor should they be considered to be practicing medicine without a license, or in violation of the regulated health professions acts, or the College of Physicians of Ontario guidelines. The claims made by the CCRG, William O'Neill, or any physician or spokeperson associated with them are their own responsibility. Should anyone who has used their services feel that they have been served adequately, then they have the opportunity to let us know. Should the people who have felt that they have been deceived, or lied to by the claims made by the CCRG, William O'Neill, or any physician associated with them there are a number of avenues that they can take. This is especially true if you were referred to any offshore clinic, in the Bahamas, or Mexico.
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    • Contact the Competition Bureau Suppose that you see an advertisment or hear a radio show that promotes the CCRG. You contact them and are convinced that if you send them $750 as an advance, they can indeed help you find a specific treatment for your condition. You may even be asked to sign a contract for additional research at several hundred, or maybe even several thousands of dollars. You have a right to have that contract reviewed by your own doctor, or a lawyer to ask them to check the validity of the claims that were made. If the CCRG tells you that the hospital or clinic that they are going to send you to has a 70% success rate for let's say "osteosarcoma" for your 13 year old boy, then ask to see the published statistics. If you ask to see the credentials of the doctor in that clinic, and they refuse, you have the right to complain. If you don't get an answer, you have the right to ask for your money back. It's no different than if you would take your car into the garage to get fixed. You are entitled to a second and third opinion. It is unlikely that you will receive a rejection from any offshore clinic that you are referred to. And, by the way, ask the CCRG if they get a commission for making the referral, and see what they say. It is illegal for a medical doctor to make any commission from the referral of any patient to another doctor or clinic. This was clearly spelled out in a massive consumer fraud operation about 10 years ago that involved psychiatric referrals to clinics in the U.S. for drug abuse and alcoholism. This should be no different if it involves a referral for cancer treatment. I suggest that you send any contract you get from CCRG to the Competition Bureau and see what they say.

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    Here's the transcript of the June 24, 2000 show:

    I apologize, we missed the introduction, and the first few seconds of Bill's reply. We will try to see if we can get it later. Enjoy for now.

    McPhee sometimes has trouble with words. For instance, instead of Gerson, she says something that sounds like Gershwin, the composer. There are a few places, where we just didn't know what was said, and you will see a few ...... there.

    Bill O'Neill:.... patient treatment center, and we deliver a different kind of cancer treatment. We deliver what we call patient based, evidence based treatment and what this means to us is that we will diagnosis the very unique clinical qualities of each cancer patient and we will develop therapeutic protocols based on the very unique clinical presentation of each patient.

    CMP: So you can basically, people come to you with information and they, they... you then do what with it?

    Bill: Well what we do is that we practice a cancer diagnostic and cancer treatment that is very different from conventional medicine. Conventional medicine operates under the assumption that cancer is a proliferative disease. And in fact, it's not, because we know over the past 70 years or so we've been treating the disease as though it were a proliferative disease and that is that these cells are wildly growing out of control. And over the past 70 years in spite of our advancements or changes in approach we really haven't effected the life time survival rate. It still hovers about seven to nine percent.

    But if we look at principals of clinical cancer and immunology and orthomolecular medicine we begin to understand that the disease is not a proliferative disease but rather an immune system disorder. And what we do in our laboratory is we look at each patient to understand what their unique clinical immunological disorder and once we understand what their immune disorder is, then we can develop treatment to address the very specific clinical needs of each unique patient. And what we found over the past number of years is that the clinical outcome or the response rates or survival rates have been improved dramatically.

    CMP: So how do you mean you develop treatments. So what goes on? Are you a facilitator to this? Are you a clinic?

    Bill: We are a laboratory and a clinic. What we do in our laboratory is we take tissue, blood and urine from these patients and we break it down and we look at it at a molecular level. And our goal is to understand the very unique biochemical and metabolic presentation of each patient and once we understand this, once we understand what their chemical and metabolic profile is, we will compare it to an optimal profile. And through that comparison we are able to discern exactly what is right and what is wrong with the patient and why they have a cancer.

    Once we know that information then what we do in our laboratory, we will build a therapeutic protocol that is designed to shift very specifically the patient's biochemistry and metabolism back to the point where we know that the patient will have the immunological competency to be parasitic on these damaged or malignant cells.

    CMP: Wow! So when you're putting together all your assessments, where do people go from there? So your assessment is done, then what?

    Bill: Then we develop the protocol. The protocol can be something as simple as what we call an orthomolecular formula, and these formulas are designed to address a very unique biochemical and metabolic needs of each patient. Essentially what we build in our laboratory is all of the ingredients required to shift their biochemistry from where it is to where it needs to be and that can be delivered in the form of an oral medication or an IV.

    Now some patients we find need more than that and we test to find out what specifically they may need and we are able to deliver to patients very specific forms of what are called immunotherapies or autologous vaccinations.

    Immunotherapy involves understanding first of all what's broken in the patient's immune system and then fixing it. Fixing that that's broken by dosing very specific proteins or cytokines to amplify or augment their immune system.

    Vaccines are a little different. Vaccines involve taking some of the patient's cell line and we culture this in our laboratory and we pull off their actual cancer cells their own unique cancer, what's called an antigen. It's somewhat like an antibody and we re-inject this antigen back into them while we simultaneously inject some proteins as well and we've been doing this for a variety of different cancers for the past five years or so. And our response as an example for very advanced cancers is two and a half times the national average through surgery, radiotherapy and chemotherapy.

    CMP: Well that's good news.

    Bill: Yeah, it is. It's very good news to us. The other very fascinating thing that we're learning through all of this is that cancer treatment does not have to be toxic. Our approaches are all natural and we use natural drugs. We also use prescription drugs, but we have in our laboratory the ability to titrate drugs, and what this means is we're able to dose and cycle drugs so that they don't cause adverse reactions or side effects. So, that's another very fascinating aspect of this type of cancer treatment because we've been kind of socialized to expect that when someone has cancer they're bald or they're very sick or they're vomiting all the time and that simply doesn't have to be the case anymore.

    CMP: Now, is something like this affordable?

    Bill: Well, it's uhm, that's a really good question. One of the very big problems in our socialized health care system which is ..........is not only the state that it is in, but the fact that it's such a huge burden on the system and that it takes an enormous amount of effort and time to make changes.

    We're essentially outside the system and we're able to take what are considered the leading edge approaches in cancer diagnostic and treatment and to deliver it to the healthcare consumer immediately. What that means to them is that it essentially isn't covered by Provincial formularies such as OHIP in this Province and what it does mean is that they do have to pay for it out of pocket. Now about 50 per cent of the patients that we work with have private health care. The private health care insurer will cover the treatments and the treatment cost to a patient can be anywhere from about $10,000 to $20,000 over a period of about 12 months.

    CMP: Wow! We've got joining me in the studio, is Dr. Mohamed Khaled. Mohamed, have you got a question at all for Bill O'Neill?

    MK: Hi Mr. O'Neill.

    Bill: Hi Dr. Khaled.

    MK: Gee, it sounds pretty technical. I wonder, for our listening audience, can you give us an idea of what exactly you're describing other than immunotherapy? We understand about cancer and the variety of different causes it has, but please tell us what kind of cancer this might work better for than others and what kind of experiences the patient will have there. Because it sounds like what you're doing as I understand it is immunotherapy directed at specific cancers which may work for some but not other cancers.

    Bill: Well, that's a good question. What we're learning through sort of like a conventional delivery system right now is that the way that we approach the disease is essentially not working. And if we look at some detail in that approach we find everything from the treatment itself through to the way that we stage or class it simply is not working. For example, we may have someone with a particular type of cancer, say breast cancer, and they have a very advanced stage of the cancer and they do quite well through a variety of different treatments, but the overall survival rate may be three or four percent for that particular cancer. So, the question that begs to be asked is are we staging this disease properly and are we calling it the right thing?

    MK: So how do you do that differently?

    Bill: Well, how we do it differently is we don't necessarily focus in on the tumour. We focus in on why does the patient have the cancer and our research has demonstrated, as have a variety of other proponents internationally, demonstrated that there are essentially two types of cancer. There are what are called immunogenic cancers and anogenic cancers.

    Immunogenic simply means that the patient's body recognized the damaged cells but it didn't have the requisite ability to underwrite some form of immunological response in managing it. Now, an anogenic cancer is a cancer where the patient has the requisite ability to immunologically manage the cancer but didn't have the necessary ability to recognize or distinguish the cancer cells from the normal cells and our assays in our lab, we've developed a whole variety of assays that allow us to distinguish between these two types of cancers.

    MK: So you not focusing so much on colon versus breast, or lymphoma, you're working at the chemical marker that's within the cancer and how the cancer seems to relate to the body?

    Bill: That's essentially it. We know that we all have malignant cells in us all the time and we know that all species with few exceptions are born with the requisite DNA-scripted biochemistry and metabolic competency to be parasitic upon these damaged cells. And when a host organism, when a patient loses their biochemistry or their metabolic competency there's a chance that these cells could grow into clusters or tumours.

    So what we do in our lab, first of all when we diagnose a patient, we will do what we call the orthomolecular profile. We'll look at their biochemistry and we'll look at their metabolism at a molecular level. And once we have the patient's blueprint in front of us, we'll reference their blueprint to an optimal human blueprint that has the requisite biochemical and metabolic competency to be parasitic.

    MK: So, let me ask you a question about that if you don't mind. I've seen similar approaches before where people have, you know, pages full of multiple chemicals and so on, and say I'm here I should be here. What if you've got the optimal chemical profile, how do you know what the right amount of sodium is for a cancer patient? What's the right amount of magnesium or zinc or cadmium, and how do you know that's scientific and how do you know that relates to the lady or the person you see in front of you?

    Bill: Well, I know this from two perspectives. First of all, one is the prerequisite to our data was massing a variety of international data on human biochemistry and human metabolism and we developed a very extensive database on this information and these measures. And what we now know, retrospectively, on the basis of reviewing hundreds and hundreds of patients we've treated since 1993, is that in fact, this approach is working. So, you know, we're not suggesting necessarily that this is the cure for cancer because our goal is not to cure cancer. Our goal is to find out what anomalies might exist within a patient that,that might represent some keyholes from which we can build keys in our laboratory.

    So, if, uh, you know, we've got a handful of people. For example, we do very well with prostate cancer and simply by, by taking that patient's blood and tumour, and urine to our laboratory and doing the runs on molecular profile, and we have such a large number of prostate cancer patients who are in what conventional physicians would characterize as a remission, we characterize as having the biochemical and metabolic competency to be parasite on the damaged or malignant cells.

    So, it's, it's a tough question to answer in the sense that there, you know, we,we expect that there is some empirical or mutable data out there. That's not necessarily the case. We're constantly evolving our understanding and, and our data and uh, like anything else in today's world it's a very dynamic and fast paced process. We're constantly updating our databases and gleaning a clearer, a clearer understanding of all these measures.

    CMP: With cancer striking thousands of North Americans each year, you know it's frightening and I want to be able to talk with Bill McNeill and Dr. Mohamed Khaled on diet and some of the other solutions on why we've reached the epidemic proportions that we have. I'm Christine McPhee with The Touch of Health, don't go away.

    CMP: With prevention, staying healthy is primary but you know what? For those that are patient responsible and taking control, you know, cancer may be not quite the ________ as it is and it won't be as frustrating and it won't be as confusing and maybe most of us won't feel as guilty. Bill, I want to get talking with you as well as Mohamed with my last question. Diet being an important part, uh, what would be.... there's so many theories out there, the raw food juicing, there's the Gershwin, there's the Brouse(?)uh, to be able to eliminate any eating whatever for 40 days. What do you recommend?

    Bill: Well uh food is obviously important and uh,understanding one's nutritional status and acting on it is critical. I think that there's uh a predisposition, unfortunately, to a variety of different fads, particularly associated with the field that we specialize in, cancer. There's a lot of foods out there that get a uh very significant bad rap, not because of the food themselves but because of the way they're processed.

    Our food chain is essentially extremely polluted. Extremely polluted now are genetically modified food that in many cases is entirely inconsistent to life and is, uh has not been tested and it's effects are unknown. I think that uh the other factor to consider is in the past 100 years, the amount of exposure that has been compressed, and by exposure I mean toxic insults and chemistry, organic and otherwise,uh has been compressed and uh we've been confronted with an enormous uh adaptation challenge.

    The human body is amazing. It can adapt, but the degree and extent of exposure over the past 100 years has been such that our bodies have simply not been able to adapt. For example, we know that higher levels of antioxidants would be beneficial to all of us and uh we we simply don't have high enough blood and tissues levels of these. We know that various different types of blood chemistry have very different needs, biochemical needs, and so you know for example, uh uh.

    CMP: Okay so blood typing is pretty much how you focus in to be able to give a diet recommendation. Mohamed, how do you feel, like the variety that's out there. If somebody on cancer....raw food, eating protein, no meat. What kind of solution? Where do you go?

    MK: Well Christine, it would be nice if I could say here's a solution to cancer. Here's our diet. But what we do at our clinic and I think it's, there again, very individualized, is tell people to eat well. Eat healthy food, fresh fruit and vegetables. Stay away from all the processed food that comes out of a can, out of a box, out of a paper bag that you buy from a restaurant and try to eat healthy whole foods. And that's really a very good way to lead your life and help prevent cancers from occurring and help fight the cancers that you have.

    I think supplemental nutrition is very important because there is not a situation where you just want to stay well. You have to have as much energy, as many nutrients, as many antioxidants as you can to fight the battle. So we like to supplement our cancer patients and we like to use a lot of good healthy, whole food. That's what I say.

    CMP: Bill, let's talk about quickly exercise. Do you encourage that? Is there types of exercise? Intake of oxygen is so vital. Cancer does not live in an oxidatative environment, you know. Do you recommend a lot of that? Do you, you know, ummh?

    Bill: Yeah. These are factors. We will. When you do an overall assessment of the patient upon intake, we we will look at all of these factors, lifestyle, stress, exercise, nutrition, spiritual and emotional status. We, we'lllook at the entire ecosystem and we'll work with the patient in developing and designing a protocol that doesn't include just the medical part.

    But well you know, we look at things like stress in one's lifestyle too, and you know the amount of exercise one's getting to relieve that stress and we'll develop a therapeutic protocol that will address uh all of these factors, you know whether it's financial or physical or emotional or spiritual or medical.

    And so you know there's so many components. And you know, we know that moderation is the key but we also know that in today's very complex society, sometimes moderation is difficult and so we'll look to,uh you know, facilitating some moderate to aggressive approach with each patient.

    CMP: So, everyone being an individual, and Mohamed how do you feel about that?

    MK: You know it's very interesting what he has to say because I think that's a very good approach. At our clinic we have a variety of different practitioner's who look at the patient. We look at the patient from their mental health, to their spiritual health. We look at the patient's uh physical and exercise needs. We look at the patient's nutritional needs.

    CMP: How do you do that? Do you do that by an assessment? What?

    MK: I'll tell you what we do. When people come in for an assessment they see myself. They see another lady that I work with named Gabriele Sutton, whose an integrative medicine consultant. They'll see another doctor that we work with who's a traditional Chinese medicine doctor. We put together a program for the patient which may involve diet, nutrition,um, homeopathy. Then we give them to the other practitioners that work within our clinic and we work on the patient as a team.

    So it is really a team-based clinic and we have homeopaths. We have aromatherapists. We have stress management, people to help you with medication, with exercise, as well as myself as the medical doctor and the other practitioners working together to provide for the patient.

    CMP: Hearing all this and someone getting involved,um, you know the alternative medicine way could be a full time job, a full time job, cause you've got to see this person and then that person.

    MK: Well you know, I think the goal is to let patients become independent. Let patients live their life well and to stay away from what you're referring to really which is sort of the uh victimization of the patient, so the patient really has to spend all of their life dealing with their illnesses. We don't want that. We want patients to get out there and live their life. Feel independent. Be happy. Do as much as they can outside of our clinic. But patients sometimes need support when they have cancer. They have to deal with their cancer and that's what we're there for. But really the whole idea is let patient's live their life and not spend their time being patients or being sick.

    Bill: Well, if I might intervene, I have to agree entirely with you Mohamed. I think that uh uh often times we need the contrast of black to see white, and uh I'm referring specifically to our approaches, not necessarily clinically but sociologically in our regional cancer centers across Canada. And uh I, I get many patients who have, in the cancer center, who have failed the treatment, patients who are in a very advanced state and they come through the door here.

    One of the very first things that we know which is fundamentally critical is that they are hopeless and desperate and they've been significantly severely injured on a physiological as well as a psychological level.

    CMP: You know what? We have to be able to go. And where can someone reach you Bill?

    Bill: In Ottawa, it's 613-239-0220.

    CMP: Thank you very much. And Mohamed in your clinic in Waterdown, where can they reach you?

    MK: They can call my office. It's 905-333-4936, and we'll set them up for an assessment.

    CMP:Thank you very much for everyone from the same attitude, hope and motivation and don't go away we'll be right back.

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